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 Post subject: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:26 am 

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Hi !

I recently bought an Internal MYIDE and mounted it in my Atari 800 Xl SECAM, with an SD 44 pin card adapter but i completely forget that an external +5 V / +12 V power supply is necessary to work with !!

The 5 v is not a real problem but the 12 volts .....?!

So i don't want to use an external power supply and i'm looking about an IDE Flash Module.

Does someone can comfirm me that my configuration can works with an TRANSCEND 2GO type TS2GDOM44V-S or Transcend - 1Go type TS1GDOM44V power supplied by the MYIDE PCB ?

Thanks..


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:06 am 
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Hi,

Most likely; yes they work.
Steve did a nice job in reworking the hardware to work on a secam XL, so I asume that IDE compatibility is OK too.
Ohterwise, buy a module with 'no question asked' return policy ;-)

How about using CF-card? [with a female CF-to-IDE adapter (2$ at ebay incl postage)]
You can pick up CF-cards for free now a days.
CF cards are more usefull on PC's for copying ATR's

A 2.5"HD only needs 5 volts.......
You can solder it directly to the 5 volt line next to the powerswitch.

Cheers,
Sijmen.


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:26 pm 

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hi,

Yes, the CF-to-IDE adapter looks like a good issue but as my mmc/sd to ide adapter i have it use also only 5 v !!
i took it from the atari pcb and also i make a test with an external pc power supply.

First situation the message " searching for ide" appear and the screen switch off and the appear again.. in close loop.
Second situation ( pc supplied) the screen do the same and totally freeze with random large colored bands !!

So, i'm little afraid that the CF to IDE may be will not work also.

Do you know if someone use an SD adapter as i ?

What is the best 100% guaranted ide memory working with internal MYIDE ?

I'm lost ....

also what's are the jumpers on pcb myide for ? and in case how to use it ?

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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 1:16 am 
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For SD, you have to flash to the 4.4 OS (beta version).
Load MyIDE44I.XEX using APE from mirror.

I have a SD-to-IDE and it works.
I also wrote the OS ;-)

The cycle is normal for a not atari-IDE formatted card.
The systems reboots because there is nothing to load.
>>Hold OPTION to enter basic.

Read the 4.4 post for the keys(!).
Also read the standard manuals for the current 4.3I you have.
-disable IDE, boot into basic, BYE ->run fdisk to partition the drive, do the simple 2 disk, d1:720sd d2:65535dd setup, images.
-disable IDE, boot from standard d1:
-enable IDE (do NOT reboot), format and write dos to d1: (remove disk from d1: for insurance!!)
done.

On PC you can use the tool to transfer ATR's

Later,
Sijmen.


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:31 pm 

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hi,

I just receive my double CF card / IDE ADAPTER (model :HX-168 CF-IDE40) and a SANDISK 32 MB CF Card (model:AA0208Ms/SD GFB)
First of all i have no more floppy disk drive 1050 (my last one has been damaged since few months now) !!
instead of i have a usb flashcard programmer + 8M cartridge from Steve.

First i tried several times to find this Fdisk menu inside my Internal MYIDE IDE OS ( SECAM 800XL) by pressing all kind of combinations keys .....no way !!

I don't succeed to find this FDISK menu also in basic mode and keys combinations.

Can you tell me in details and steps by steps how to get it?

Also in case that the drive will be format correctly, does the MYDOS453.atr can write the dos on the CF Card plug in , by using this flashed image into the cartridge ?

Another details : the CF card plug and without touching any keys, the screen switch to black few seconds after "MYIDE 4.3I" message disappear.

And nothing happen..Why ?

Thanks for your help ...i'm totally lost !!


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:07 am 
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First: read this (internal bios):
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=358

Hold OPTION and boot with CF.
Type BYE enter to enter FDISK.

and the manuals:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=490

setup d1, 720sd, d2, 65535 dd
setup images, lowest cylinder as possible.

On PC copy mydos453atr to image 1
back on atari, boot in images (hold START)
when in mydos, press shift+control+R (reload partition)
format d1:
configure mdos for d2:65535dd
write dos
-ready

Later,
Sijmen.


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:54 am 
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mr-atari wrote:
On PC copy mydos453atr to image 1


To add to this, you need Hias's MyIdeTool on the PC to copy an ATR image to the CFcard. You can't copy images with windows explorer because MyIDE does use a different format than PC formatted harddisks.

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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:50 pm 

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hi guys,

thanks for helping me.

First of all, i can succed to go in fdisk menu only if my CF card is disconnected !!
If i put my CF adapter in and power ON the screen go to freeze with or without MYIDE messages and nothing happen !

So i would like your point of view about it
And can you give me as a 100% sure base model of CF card adapter and CF CARD easy to find today and links?

Just to start on good bases...

About my IDEtool, does it work perfectly under windows XP DOs command and can someone give me in details what to write ?

Sorry i'm not really use to with that !

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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:57 am 
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The card will work, to problem.
The problem is that MyIDE thinks the CF is formated and valid.

Keep shift+control down when you power up and directly press D repeatedly.
This will disable the OS-IDE routines.
Boot DOS or use assembler-cart and run at adress: E471 to run fdisk.

Setup save and then go on.

Later,
Sijmen.

>
The other way is to zero the boorsector with a cardreader on your PC using a sector-editor or somethinglike that.
>
The tool works nicely in windows XP.
I always use a dos-window to work with it.
>
Before I forget, once setup and no mydos is written to the boot D1:
You still need to shift+control+D at powerup to disable OS-IDE access!
Boot DOS
Press shift+control+R (reload partition table)
Then format and write DOS.


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:59 am 

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hi,

Step by step ..

My CF ADAPTER and CF CARD plug in (with or without boot sector cleared with zeros..i try both)

You said "Keep shift+control down when you power up and directly press D repeatedly.
This will disable the OS-IDE routines."

I done that several times and... nothing happen only an unlimited time black screen !!

If i take out the CF card i got the "myide" messages with the normal sequence swith off / on.

What's the problem .. the CF ADAPTER or / and the CF card ? explaination ?

Notice : I tried with five CF card differents (with and without clearance boot sectors by pc) .. the same situation ?

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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:16 am 
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Chill.....

The problem is not the interface, some stupid setting will be the issue.

When you have zero the bootsector (so that is the absolute sector $00000, not relative).
Then MyIDE does not init the IDE port and start as a standard OS.
The only thing different is that the MyIDE OS starts default WITHOUT basic.
So when there is nothing to boot and you do not hold down OPTION, the atari reboots every few seconds.
-HOLD OPTION DOWN for basic OR BOOT A DISK OR INSERT example ASSEMBLER CARTRIDGE-
(read the manual?) ;-)

Check the CF-adaptors for jumpers.
Is it set to 5 volt? Is the CF in the master-slot (not slave)?
Are the leds ready/power on?

With shift+control+D (disable) you must be able to boot a disk or enter assembler.
Also basic must be possible, but you need to hold option down too then.....

Now, do to do things the easy way, first concentrate on getting the atari up with a CF inserted.
DOS, BASIC or ASSEMBLY will be fine.

Later,
Sijmen.


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:18 am 

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Hi Sijmen,

First of all thanks for your kindenness !

During the time i was waiting your respond i made 2 test :

I take out CF Adapter and Card and i tried directly to an IDE HD with flat 40 pins cable (ps standard)

First i've done with a Fujistu M1612TAU as slave and master configuration, so ....-> ! same problem !

Second try with an IDE HD WD CAVIAR ...(for the taste .. i joke) .. type : WD 136 BA in slave configuration
16383 Cylinders
16 Heads
63 Sector / track

And ....Power On and Combinations keys .. Halelluia !! ITS WORKS !!!!!!!!!!

Greats so ->BYE
Well in auto mode it don't detect my HD so i declared it manual with the technicals details following up.
I made as an example with Size : 65335 partition on drive 1 only and saved it.

Prompt" ready" .... but

Question why when i go inside FDISK menu again without power off my partition have totally disappear ?

Same situation if i power off/on and go inside FDISK..

That's the situation where i'am.

I'm waiting your informations

Hello from France


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:40 am 
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Hmmm, I think you should contact Steve also.

You have a secam atari 800xl and this not saving is strange.

After you used save&exit in fdisk, you do not get the message "HD-error!" ?

The other strange part is that the keys work on any IDE media inserted.
with shift+control+D you can bypass ANY device and enter FDISK to init it.

Let me know what Steve says.

Grtz,
Sijmen.


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:47 am 
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Ah, just came to me.

Can you change your atari PSU?
Perhaps that is gone bad after 20 years (to much rimple on the 5VDC).


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 Post subject: Re: Internal MYIDE + IDE Flash module compatibility
PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:21 am 

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Hi Sijmen,

i'll try to put instead an other psu, not atari one
Is 1000ma enought ?

I also think to posses an oscilloscope is a good tool ..
I don't have one !
Tell me which volt multimeter tolerance value i got to have.


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