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 Post subject: USB Cartridge Programmer and 8M Flash Cart issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:51 pm 

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So I got my new USB Programmer and right away tried to start flashing my 8M carts and I'm running into a showstopper problem. I can only get the cart to program between 2% and 10% before it errors out with the message

[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.

I've tried different cartridges, mcw images, etc and I can't get this thing to flash my carts. Sometimes it doesn't even recognize that my carts are 8M and won't even let me erase them.

I'm running this under Windows XP. Any help would be appreciated!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:43 pm 
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When you insert the cart, try pulling it back a little in the connector so its not pushed all the way in until it stops.

Could be a faulty programmer, but I've noticed that the internal stop on the edge connector goes a bit deeper than the plastic stop on a real XL/XE lets a cart go in.

I had some problems with bad connections due to the cart being in too deeply a few times. Worth a quick try at least to see if it clears anything up.

Also are these new 8mbit carts, or older ones?

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 Post subject: Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:21 pm 

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classics wrote:
When you insert the cart, try pulling it back a little in the connector so its not pushed all the way in until it stops.

Could be a faulty programmer, but I've noticed that the internal stop on the edge connector goes a bit deeper than the plastic stop on a real XL/XE lets a cart go in.

I had some problems with bad connections due to the cart being in too deeply a few times. Worth a quick try at least to see if it clears anything up.

Also are these new 8mbit carts, or older ones?

Steve


Steve - ditto here.

Just got my new programmer/8 Mbit cartridge - always fails between 2% and 25% log is below:

Tried different USB ports, and moving the cartridge in the slot - to no avail. Can only record cartridges with very short games - like 8K ROMs. Please help!

[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Programming... 2%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Programming... 2%
[USB Task] Programming... 3%
[USB Task] Programming... 4%
[USB Task] Programming... 5%
[USB Task] Programming... 6%
[USB Task] Programming... 7%
[USB Task] Programming... 8%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Programming... 2%
[USB Task] Programming... 3%
[USB Task] Programming... 4%
[USB Task] Programming... 5%
[USB Task] Programming... 6%
[USB Task] Programming... 7%
[USB Task] Programming... 8%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Programming... 2%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[USB Manager] Programmer disconnected.
[USB Manager] USB driver version 1007
[USB Manager] Programmer connected.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Programming... 2%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Programming... 2%
[USB Task] Programming... 3%
[USB Task] Programming... 4%
[USB Task] Programming... 5%
[USB Task] Programming... 6%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.
[Program Cartridge] Identified attached cartridge. "Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge"
[Program Cartridge] Programming Maxflash 8Mbit Flash Cartridge
[USB Task] Cartridge erase...
[USB Task] Programming... 1%
[USB Task] Programming... 2%
[USB Task] Programming... 3%
[USB Task] Error performing read operation! Embedded program timeout. Task aborted!
[Program Cartridge] Fatal error: User Abort.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:42 pm 

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classics wrote:
When you insert the cart, try pulling it back a little in the connector so its not pushed all the way in until it stops.

Could be a faulty programmer, but I've noticed that the internal stop on the edge connector goes a bit deeper than the plastic stop on a real XL/XE lets a cart go in.

I had some problems with bad connections due to the cart being in too deeply a few times. Worth a quick try at least to see if it clears anything up.

Also are these new 8mbit carts, or older ones?

Steve


Unfortunately this didn't seem to fix the issue. It just plain doesn't work for me. These are newer 8M carts. I ordered them only a couple months ago.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:48 pm 
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I've tested mostly with the newest carts which have faster chips than some of the older carts with AMD flash chips. I may have the firmware set to be a little over aggressive for some chips.

I'll post a test firmware tonight with more relaxed programming timings and we can see if that helps.

Steve


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:03 pm 

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Great, look forward to trying that! I popped opened my two 8M carts and it looks like the flash chip is ICT and not AMD so maybe that isn't the issue? Hopefully the relaxed timings will help even if it's a USB issue.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:06 pm 

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classics wrote:
I've tested mostly with the newest carts which have faster chips than some of the older carts with AMD flash chips. I may have the firmware set to be a little over aggressive for some chips.

I'll post a test firmware tonight with more relaxed programming timings and we can see if that helps.

Steve


Looking forward to that. However my cartridge just arrived so I am assuming it is brand new. Will try the new firmware anyway.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:17 pm 
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Since you already popped open your cart... :-) What are the markings on your two flash chips?

I doubt its the USB bus unless its plugged into a hub thats putting out less than 5v+.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:28 am 

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The 2 socketed chips with the white label say:

1008-15
CS=ADF9
V3.22.08
C4E9

The black socketed chip says:

ICT
PEEL20CG10AJ
CTM40008GB
445FB
-25

The the soldered 10 pin DIN chip says:

PALCE16V8H-10
PC/4 N010BJ6


These are the same for both carts I have.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:55 am 
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Thank you very much :-) Under the white labels there should also be AMD markings.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:11 pm 

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The new firmware did not fix my issue at all. Same exact problem. :(

I peeled the white label and, indeed, it's an AMD chip. It reads:

AM29F040B
-90JC V
0022GVA L


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:13 pm 
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Ok thats one thing eliminated at least. Thank you for the chip markings as well.

I'll make some changes to the bus timings when I get home tonight and post another test firmware.

Hopefully we can avoid either of you having to send back these items for me to reproduce the problem. :-)

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classics wrote:
Ok thats one thing eliminated at least. Thank you for the chip markings as well.

I'll make some changes to the bus timings when I get home tonight and post another test firmware.

Hopefully we can avoid either of you having to send back these items for me to reproduce the problem. :-)

Steve


I also tried the new firmware and there is no change in the behavior - fails between 2% and 6%.

Do you think its the cartridge causing the problem or the programmer ?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:49 pm 
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I'm guessing from the description of the problem its just an edge case in the timing that I didn't account for, so its really both but better firmware should fix it.

If you can use the maxflash diagnostic program to create a test cartridge in the Atari and execute all the tests without errors then there is nothing wrong with the cartridge.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:07 pm 

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Where do you source your flash chips from? I was going to buy a few faster ones just for kicks and see if they fixed my issue, but digikey, mouser and newark are all out of stock and backordered for weeks on every PLCC flash part they carry! Is there some sort of shortage going on?


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