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Article #323 (730 is last): From: aa789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson) Newsgroups: freenet.sci.comp.atari.mags Subject: Atari Explorer Online: 20-Dec-92 #SE-2 Reply-To: aa789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson) Posted-By: xx004 (aa789 - Bruce D. Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 23 09:12:44 1992 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Special Edition #2 ATARI EXPLORER ONLINE 20 December 1992 :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: :: :: ATARI .............. News, reviews, & solutions ............ ATARI :: :: EXPLORER ............ for the online Atari .......... EXPLORER :: :: ONLINE ................. Community .............. ONLINE :: :: :: :: Published and Copyright = 1992 by Atari Corporation :: :: """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" :: :: Editor ....................................... Travis Guy :: :: Assistant Editor ....................... Ron Robinson :: :: Assistant Editor .................. Albert Dayes :: :: Assistant Editor ........... Andreas Barbiero :: :: :: :: Editorial Advisory Board :: :: """""""""""""""""""""""" :: :: President, Atari Corporation........................Sam Tramiel :: :: Director of Application Software...................Bill Rehbock :: :: Director, Computer Marketing ........................Don Thomas :: :: Director of Communications...........................Bob Brodie :: :: Corporate Director, International Music Markets....James Grunke :: :: Atari Explorer Magazine............................Mike Lindsay :: :: :: :: Telecommunicated to you via: :: :: """""""""""""""""""""""""""" :: :: GEnie: AEO.MAG :: :: CompuServe: 70007,3615 :: :: Delphi: ABARBIERO :: :: Fnet: AEO Conference, Node 706 :: :: AtariNet: AEO Conference, Node 51:1/10 :: :: :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Table of Contents * From the Editors ....................... We're back... with a Falcon030. * Ron's Random Ramblin' ..................... The Three "R's" - AEO style. * Lexicor GEnie RTC .............. Announcing the Phoenix Object Renderer. * Merry Lynxmas ................. Atari has "Such a deal" for all Lynx wannabyes. The perfect holiday present at a never-before seen price. * Developing News ................. -=- STraight FAX Distribution Change -=- DMC Promotion Extended -=- IAAD Membership List -=- Fair Dinkum Xmas Offer * Computing Heresy! ............................ MORE isn't always better? * AEO Survey Results ............................................... VPVD. * From the Libraries ............. Andreas looks at PhotoChrome3 and OXYD. * Atari Software Catalog ........... Everything you can run on your Atari. All in one book. It's a big book. * CuSTomer Support..................The Continuing Saga of Caveat Emptor reprinted courtesy of GEnie article by Don Harris * A Statement from Atari concerning ABCO Computer Consultants * Shutdown ........................................... Keep on hanging on. --==--==--==--==-- ||| ||| From the Editors ........ Atari Explorer Online: The Next Generation / | \-------------------------------------------------------------------- First, please allow me the privledge of wishing everyone the happiest of holiday seasons. Please, please, please temper that thought with the caution to drive and to boat carefully. The darkest day of the year (well it is, up here in the Northern Hemisphere at least) is upon us, and Things Are Bound To Get Better.
As one example of Things Getting Better, EQ Magazine, The Recording and Sound Magazine, gave the Atari Falcon030 a "Blue Ribbon" Award - nice, for a machine that isn't in the shops yet. American shops that is. Germany has received the first batch of Falcon030s for sale. These machines are the 4 Meg/65 Meg HD version, and early reports indicate great interest. Look for lots more "outside of Atari Corp." raves about the Falcon030 in the weeks to come - and look to Atari Explorer Online to bring them to you. This issue marks our second Special Edition of AEO (AEO Volume 2, Issue 1 should hit the networks on Saturday Jan 2, 1993). In this issue you can find a potporri of items; we're introducing our "Developing News" section with news from Atari developers, Andreas has a quick look at two recent uploads, Oxyd and PhotoChome 3, and purely as an afterthought, we've included the first snapshots of the Falcon030's desktop. Yes. We have a treat for everyone. Assiatant Editor Ron Robinson was the recipent of an Atari Falcon030 computer (poor Ron, he had to promise to slave away at the keyboard to provide Explorer/Explorer Online with valuable insights of the machine). Ron came up with the four Falcon030 snapshots included in this archive; all in Degas/Elite format, and all viewable by ST/STE/TT machines. Their captions are: DESKTOP.PC1: A directory window open alongside the drive icons. Notice the 3-D look to the gadgets on the window. ICONS1.PC1: A selection of "animated" window icons clipped from the desktop. Of each pair, the icon on the left is the unselected state; the icon on the right is how the icon appears when selected. ICONS2.PC1: A few more color icons. SETCOLOR.PI3: For those of you who can't view the color shots, a monochrome display showing the new Set Video Display screen framed in front of a directory window (you get the 3-D gadgets in this shot also). We checked all of the pictures with GEM View 2.0, and they look great! You can even view them with a monochrome monitor. Naturally, they look much nicer in color. We hope to upload 256 color desktop shots (in GIF format) to the nets sometime this week. Also last week, Andreas Barbiero walked out of Atari HQ with a beta copy of ST Sutra/Atari Works/Consierge/Enselmble/Whatever. He also made off with a copy of the SpeedoGDOS installation program to test: Fourteen fonts, ACCs, CPXs, ...and the latest version of SpeedoGDOS. We hope to have a preview of it in AEO and in Explorer soon. Thanks to Bill Rehbock, Director of Applications Software for helping us (and Andreas!) out! I was going to allow Ron, Albert and Andreas to take a moment here to introduce theirselves, but instead, I'll save that for two weeks' time - where you can also meet the rest of AEO's growing staff. Things are happening. Positive things. Enough from me. Let's get on with the issue. --==--==--==--==-- ||| Ron's Random Ramblin' ||| By: Ron Robinson / | \ GEnie: EXPLORER.1 --------------------- SPELLING SENTRY was delivered to me by one of my favorite people - the UPS -------------- person - fresh from Toad Computers this week. Spelling Sentry from Wintertree Software that is a wonderful spell check utility that works on all Atari ST/TT computers. The utility combines "real time" as you type spell checking with very intelligent suggestions for misspelled words and includes a keyboard macro feature. There are many other features such as the ability to check the clipboard which place Spelling Sentry on my "must have" list for Atari owners. Wintertree Software Inc., 43 Rueter St. Nepean, Ontario Canada K2J 3Z9 - 613.825.6271 KODAK PHOTO CD should prove be a very hot item in conjunction with the -------------- superb multimedia features built into the Falcon. To get an advanced view of how Photo CD looks, stop by most any camera store to see Photo CD quality and resolution in action. Photo CD integrates the conventional film technology with digital image storage on CD ROM. The process involves taking a roll of 35mm film to your photo finisher and asking to have them transferred to PhotoCD (about $15-20 for 24 photos). A few days later, you get a CD back with your digitized photographs. Conventional prints can be reproduced from the the PhotoCD images. You can transfer images from several disks to an "album" disk. The CD can then be played on a video disk player capable of displaying PhotoCD format at the baseline television resolution. Consumer players list in the $500 range but I have already seen them advertised for under $350. On the computer side, Kodak's PhotoCD stores images in CD-ROM-XA multisession format. This means each image has its own header, or directory files. Most of the current CD ROM drives only recognize single session (single directory) formats. Images are stored in five 24 color formats with resolutions ranging from 192x128 "thumbnail", 768x512 "baseline television" to 3,072x2,048 "photo quality". The initial film to CD load is 24 images but up to 100 images can be placed on a single CD by returning the disk to the processor with more exposed film you wish to transfer to disk. Atari demonstrated Photo CD on the Falcon and Atari TT at Comdex along with Calamus SL driving 24 bit video cards. Pioneer, Philips, Sony and Toshiba have all announced plans to support the multi-session standards. Eastman Kodak Co., 343 State St., Rochester, NY 14650 1.800.242.2424 VDT GLARE AND RADIATION can be an irritating side effect of using your ----------------------- computer system. Studies show a quality anti-glare filter can eliminate computer induced problems such as eye strain, blurred vision, headaches, and eye irritation. Glare from a monitor bouncing back into your face can force you into uncomfortable postures, resulting in neck pain, backache and shoulder strain. A good filter can eliminate glare, enhance contrast, improve view-ability of text and graphics on the display, enhance colors and reduce screen "flicker". By incorporating a grounded conductive coating into the coating, electric field radiation and static electricity can be eliminated. Experts are recommending that we stay at least three feet away from out TV's to avoid the effects of ELV/VLF and "E" field radiation coming from the front of your monitor. A bad filter can be worse than none at all. One of the best filters I have run across is from a company called OCLI in Santa Rosa California. OCLI has extensive experience with NASA and the military in producing very high quality optical coatings. They offer a wide range of filters for all sizes of monitors starting a prices under $42. A full feature universal fit filter for a 14" monitor runs $69 at CompUSA. Worth checking out: OCLI Glare/Gard, 2789 Northpoint Highway, Santa Rosa, CA 95407-7397 1.800.545.6254 A TOUGH NEW SOFTWARE PIRACY LAW has made software pirating a felony instead ------------------------------- of a misdemeanor. Those pirates now face possible fines up to ten times higher than before, and jail sentences that are as much as five times greater. Offenders can face $250,000 in fines and five years in jails. According to the FBI's Washington unit chief, Charles Owens, "As long as software piracy was only a misdemeanor, we couldn't justify expending lots of resources on it. We don't have that problem any more." Maximum penalties under the new law specifically targets pirates who copy more than ten different programs with a collective value of at least $2,500. According the representatives of business and software associations, this has resulted in pirate electronic bulletin boards that distribute being of particular interest for investigation. DESKJET REFILLS are a great cost effective way of reducing the cost of --------------- using your HP DeskJet printer. The problems of finding a syringe to refill, the legal implications of locating a needle and the mess involved places this operation out of the reach of some people. DGR Technologies has introduced a "neat" refill unit that immensely simplifies the task. The product comes in a twin pack pack with a prefilled syringe/needle unit and is available in red, green, blue or black to spice up your printing. DGR Technologies, 1219 West Sixth Street, Austin, TX 78703 1.800.235.9748 ATARI FALCON030 Having used a Falcon030 for over a week now, I believe --------------- anyone who has an opportunity to work with one will be pleased. My kids love it and are encouraging (yeah, right, how about demanding) me to get the review finished *NOW* so they can get some more time at the wheel. There was more than one "ahhh" experience accompanied by big grins as we discovered new and interesting aspects of the computer. The Atari Falcon030 is flat out a very fun computer to mess around with. The near photographic quality graphics capability has to be seen to be appreciated; "specifications" simply do not seem to do it justice. Just as a reality check, I took a trip to CompUSA today and saw nothing on display with video the quality of the Atari Falcon030. For day-to-day work, the 256 color 640 x 480 mode works wonderfully providing a TT like screen compatible with most applications - I'm using Stalker on the Falcon030 right now in color with full resolution on a NEC 3D. That fact alone is enough to sell me. There are three "ST compatibility" modes built into the video configuration menu - ST low, medium and high. You can now even do ST hi-res on the Atari SC1224 color monitor! Speed in using real world applications is much better than I expected, even in the higher resolution graphics modes. I've been bouncing back and forth between the Falcon and a MSTe installed doing side by side work. The Falcon looks and feels significantly faster in real world use. The digital sound is great. Audio Fun Machine demonstrates how the DSP works with audio to generate special effects real time and will be a big hit at any party. There is no slow down at all as the DSP processes data. One opinion rolling around in my mind is the Falcon030 is not an ST, it is a very different computer - much more different than the TT is from the ST. The Atari Falcon030 is in new ways a greatly improved computer that just happens to be ST compatible. I'd call it the Mazda Miata of computers, fast, fun, inexpensive and flashy. Not a bad combination for an entertainment product. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL! I truly wish the best for all of you and your ---------------------- families throughout the season. We are very busy on several special projects at Atari Explorer Magazine that I think many of you will enjoy seeing after the first of the year. If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to contact me on GEnie at EXPLORER.1. Enjoy yourselves over the holidays and please be careful to remember not to drink and drive. --==--==--==--==-- ||| Lexicor GEnie RTC - Announcing the Phoenix Object Renderer ||| Courtesy of: GEnie / | \ ------------------------------------------------------------ =========================================================================== (C) 1992 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt. Type XJM11877,GEnie and hit RETURN. The system will prompt you for your information. =========================================================================== Wednesday Night Real Time Conference December 9, 1992 Host - Brian H. Harvey Guest Speaker - John Cole, LEXICOR John Stanford Ringo Montfort On behalf of the Atari ST Roundtable, I welcome all of you to this LEXICOR Real Time Conference with special guest, John Cole of Lexicor. Many of you will recall the fine products that have been developed for our favorite computer by the Lexicor folks - Prism Paint, Prism Render, Chronos Keyframe Animator, Rosetta, Cybersculpt, Phase 4, Leonardo Board and other fine graphics programs. PHOENIX 512 is the newest product in their catalog and a number of sample files have been uploaded to the GEnie library. If you haven't seen them, you don't know what you are missing! I would also like to take the opportunity to thank our friends at Lexicor for the excellent service they provide here on GEnie - with kudos to Lee Seiler, John Cole and Ringo Montfort. Lexicor - another reason to enjoy GEnie! John, do you have some opening comments to share with us? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Ok, here they come... On December 12th, 1992 Lexicor Software will release the Phoenix Object Renderer. This program, written by John Stanford, is a high quality 3D object renderer, with many advanced features. Primarily intended for 'Stills', Phoenix does have Cyber Control and limited key-frame support. Among the main features are Wood and Marble texture maps, Image mapping, object transparency, shadows, and object luminescence. Images can be saved in .SPC, .GIF, or .TGA format. Rendering options allow any size picture with colors ranging all the way to 16 million. Easy object and camera positioning make arranging photo graphic quality pictures simple. Several sample images are available for downloading in various formats, and a demo will be available tonight. The price is $49.95. If John Stanford doesn't have anything to add, we can continue. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> I'd just like to comment that Phoenix extends the capabilities available in Antic's Cyber line, allowing creation of images never before possible on the Atari, at an accessible price. Ok, the two Johns and Ringo are all available. Chris is first with a question. <[Chris C.] C.CASSADAY> First off, the pictures in the library are absolutely wonderful. I've got a TT030 and I'd like to know which (an unfair question really) graphics card is going to best suit my needs and be the most compatible across the line plus take advantage of the features of Phoenix 512. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Hmmm... that's a toughie :-) The only graphics card that we have been approached for compatibility for Chronos or Phoenix is Crazy Dots from Gribnif. Matrix works with Phoenix but not with Chronos (very well :-) I haven't seen a Cyrel card yet. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Phoenix should work quite well with the Crazy Dots card in the paletted modes, but hasn't been tested yet. Basically, any card which gives you the greatest color resolution for viewing your images. <[Chris C.] C.CASSADAY> How do all of the Lexicor programs work together, and what benefit can I see from using them? That's it, thanks. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> It's a 3 step process, you create 3D objects with Cyber Sculpt, render or animate them with Phoenix or Chronos and finish the animations with Prism paint, all fun and easy :-) I should point out that the images in .GIF or .TGA format can be used on another platform, if your standard ST doesn't have the best graphics. Thanks Chris, you are next Ray... <[RAY] R.SYKES2> How does Phoenix talk with CHRONOS <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> At present Phoenix is a stand-alone program from Chronos. The two do not directly interact or exchange files. Phoenix is presently a still frame renderer, but a simple animator is provided and it will render Cyber Control script animation. <[RAY] R.SYKES2> DOES IT READ AMM. FILES <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Phoenix does not use .ANM files however it does support Cyber Control scripts. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> We are developing an add-on module to allow Phoenix to render Chronos ANM files which will be available shortly. Anymore Ray?? <[RAY] R.SYKES2> Will it work with Cyber VCR? [John S.] J.STANFORD2> You could convert a series of GIF's into a SEQ file for VCR, but otherwise... <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Not really. Phoenix will save images as Spectrum SPC, GIF or TGA files <[Jonesy] M.JONES52> Please pardon my naivete, but would Phoenix be suitable for editing photos off a Kodak CD? Say, putting mustaches on a picture of Uncle Henry? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Jonesy, No. Phoenix is not a paint program. It is a three dimensional renderer. It creates Phoenix is not a picture editor, it is a 3D object renderer. Lifelike scenes of three dimensional objects with textures, shading, lighting, shadows, etc. You can then edit & modify its images in a paint program. <[Jonesy] M.JONES52> Thanks, John, for clearing up my misunderstanding. Ok, Jonesy. It is my turn for a question. What is the difference between Phoenix and Render 512? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Render 512 was an early version of Phoenix. New support for other image resolutions besides spectrum is added, and it is now completely compatible with the TT and Falcon. It has been ported to a new development system and is much faster and VERY solid, which R512 wasn't. Lots of new options and interfaces were added also. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> It's more fair to say that Render is a distant relative to Phoenix. When you get the chance to use both side by side, you can see the resemblance, however, Phoenix is light years ahead of Render. Speedwise, it's the difference between impulse and warp drive :-) OK, your turn for a question T.Hebel Does Lexicor have a program to generate three D objects or do I have to use Cybersculpt <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> You need to use Cyber Sculpt. Lexicor has numerous copies of Cyber Scupt on hand for sale, the price is ..... Cole? BTW Cyber Sculpt is one of the best modelers I've seen on ANY platform, many costing 10 or 20 times more. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> I think it's currently ~$30 alone but it is included with Chronos, and there will be a Phoenix bundle with Cyber sculpt and Prism Paint. What would a complete Lexicor bundle cost? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Currently Chronos is shipped with Cyber Sculpt and Prism Paint for $199. I'll have to check on Phoenix w/PP and CS Also, how much Hard Drive space would the Software take up? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> The actual program fits on a floppy, but images can take up a lot of space depending on resolution and # of colors. You are next Richard......... <[Richard] R.LEVY8> John I heard you mention modules... does this mean we can see additional features other then .ANMS added... <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> ANM's only for right now. The ANM "module" will be a desk accessory, ala Cyber Control. All the hooks are already in Phoenix, we just need to finish up the accessory. <[Richard] R.LEVY8> OK.. what is the difference between a texture map and an image map? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Phoenix lets you assign textures to an object. You can make an object look like it was made out of wood or marble. These textures are "solid", meaning it looks like you carved the object out of the material. You can also image map an object, wrapping any image around an object. You can put a map of the earth on a globe, a painted face on a man, camouflage and insignia on a tank, the possibilities are endless. <[Richard] R.LEVY8> With an ST what formats can I render? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> The optimal format on an ST is the Spectrum 512 SPC format, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with. Phoenix will create the typical ST 512 color palette images and STe 4096 palette images which can be viewed with most viewers like DMJ3076. It will also create a GIF file in 2,4,16, or 256 colors. These could be converter to PI? files with other programs. Also true color TGA images for the Falcon and viewing on other systems. Thanks Richard, OK you are up Chris. Thanks everyone for being patient. <[Chris C.] C.CASSADAY> Can you tell me a little about lighting features. When using a Falcon'030, is the use of a TV supported? Lexicor markets the Leonardo card, correct? If so, tell us about some of its features. And price, also. [Ringo] LEXICOR2> The Images that can be map to an Object are SPC, GIF and TGA true color modes the same images can be use for backgrounds. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Phoenix has 4 different light types, solar (like the sun), point source (like a lamp), spotlight and ambient (fill lighting). In Phoenix you can have up to 21 lights in a scene, in any location and brightness. All lights can cast shadows. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Leonardo is currently undead :-) It will depend on how soon Atari provides a 24bit VDI and Dover Research manufacturing the cards again. OK, you are next Lyre.... <[Lyre] AEO.3> Okay, Although John mentioned what a Renderer is, I am not sure that I understand. Does it allow control of the placement of objects so that they create a "scene" (as in movie sets) and from there the art file can be edited and modified? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Leo was dead, but Atari has defrosted a little and may squirt a VDI out after all :-) No guesses on availability thou. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Rendering in the sense of our products is creating an image of a 3 dimensionally scene stored in your computer, with realistic lighting and perspective effects. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Phoenix is like a photography studio, allowing you to place 3D objects and arrange them so that you can take the picture. Once the picture is taken, or rendered, you use a paint program to edit that. <[Lyre] AEO.3> Ah! Ok, now it makes more sense. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> If you need to. Some, like REALM's cave don't need much else :-) <[Lyre] AEO.3> There are a number of different Atari computers out now, does Phoenix support all of them? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Basically what you seen in the Listerine commercials, Norfolk Southern, 3D computer images stuff. Once you make an image you can paint on it like any other. Phoenix works on every computer in the the Atari 68000 and 68030 line, both released and announced models. 1 meg memory minimum. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2>Like the Photography studio, you can take as many shots as you like, moving objects and lights to your liking. <[Lyre] AEO.3> Do the Lexicor products support the various accelarator boards? Including the math co-processors? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> The accelerator boards work well with Phoenix and help a lot. Get a computer with an 030/882 combo!!!! Super Speed! Obvously viewing Spectrum images w/ an accelerator is a no/no. Thanks Lyre! <[Lyre] AEO.3> Ok, thank you for the info. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> The 68882 coprocessor in the TT (and optional in the Falcon) is fully supported and makes an incredible difference. The 68881 on the ST is also supported, but the speed improvements aren't near as great as for the 68882. Ok the moment you have been waiting for. The PHOENIX door prize!!! I will roll a dice and the lucky job number wins.. ** Rolls 1D30 -> 27 = 27 Your roll is 1D30 -> 27 = 27. Ta da............. The lucky winner is R.Hackman1............. Any words, Richard? Hey Hey, thanks a lot. Now back to our regular scheduled program. You are next Danny. <[Danny] D.HARTMAN2> I've tried many art programs -not yours- and all the directions seem to have been written by the programmer after pulling an all nighter! How easy is your documentation to decipher for those of us that are computer slow? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> The programmer did write the documentation, but I spent several weeks at it. I think the tutorial is very good and walks through most of the different options. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> The program is very easy to use. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> We are also including a full disk of sample objects to learn from and get ideas on the texturing and lighting. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Chronos and Prism Paint have very good documentation, Phoenix will also have excellent docs. <[Danny] D.HARTMAN2> I'll check with my almost local Atari Dealer and check it out. Thanks. Thanks Danny. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Danny: The documentation does assume you know how to use the mouse and keyboard, load and copy files, etc. How does PHOENIX compare to similar products on the IBM/Mac? <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Brian. MAC/IBM program like Phoenix are over priced. Lexicor gives all users excellent products at a very low price. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> I think the results speak for themselves! Compare REALM's cave and any other computers .GIF files and you will see! Phoenix produces excellent output! The best ever seen on the Atari and is right up there with the best of em! <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> I don't have 3D studio, one of the leading renderers for the IBM. I believe the list price for it is $3000.00. One of our beta testers says, who has it, the images are comparable except that 3D studio has bump mapping which we do not, YET! Thanks Johns,another question from T.Hebel. Go for it... <[Tim] T.HEBEL> How long did it take to render the Cart picture that was uploaded to GEnie? (I use a TT030) Does the software run in Fast Ram? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> If you going to get a Falcon030, your jaw will drop when you see the quality of Phoenix 16 bit .TGA's <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Ringo did the cart, can you answer? <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> I render the file on the TT less than 10 minutes. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Yes, the software can run in and use fastram. (it will use fastram first and then go to ST ram if you need more memory). <[Tim] T.HEBEL> What additional hardware is needed to videotape an animation? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> To just go to video tape, you need an Atari or other computer with composit or RF output (STe or Falcon, NOT A TT!) <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> A note on rendering speed...Obvously anyone can create an image that takes forever to render, the times are scene and object dependent. As a benchmark a couple different versions of REALM's Viking object have been uploaded. A Spectrum SPC without shadows on the TT took two minutes. On the ST about 18 minutes. Shadows was about three times as long. <[Tim] T.HEBEL> I am glad to see that _someone_ is taking advantage of the hardware! That's it!! All done. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Tim, you need a falcon ;-) Thanks Tim, you are next M.Potter2........ Mike: Can you use procedural texture maps and does the program support "soft" shadows? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> You can't create your own texture procedures, though you can do almost anything with image mapping. The marble and wood textures can be placed and sized anywhere on the object, and a lot of controls are provided, like some people have done very convincing water and sand dunes with the marble. (snow too). <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> It does very fast rendering and that allows more time for creating scenes. Can you import models from other platforms like DXF or Stratavision? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Soft shadows didn't quite make it, I'm playing with it though. You can simulate it using more lights. You need Rosetta to convert other formats to 3D2, Cole, what formats does it support? I know it does DXF, Scupt from Amiga, and a few mac/IBM ones. We'll get back with a complete list. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> DXF, Amiga sculpt and MAC sculpt AutoCADD 10. For Rosetta, plus 3D1 and 3D2 and R.I.B. files from Rosetta. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Off the top of my head, Autocad DXF release 10, amiga sculpt and some mac stuff too... I cant find my feature sheet :-) Thank you for your questions. OK, it is Mike from AEO to ask a question or two..Take your turn at the mike, Mike. <[mike] AEO.8> What input devices are supported, and what plans for additions do you have? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> The mouse and keyboard are all that are needed, I can't see where a tablet would be of use in this program. One should work ok though. <[mike] AEO.8> ok.. I'm an artist, and still have to have the "pen" in hand.. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> The Lexicor WIZ graphic tablet works. Specially for object creations. The WIZ tablet is a GOD send for Paint programs. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Additions: The renderer of ALL renderers!!!! We plan on going A LOT further with this package, and integrating it further with our other products. Actual features I plan to do is too long a list to get into. ANM support is definitely next. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Careful John :-) Don't give away the crown jewels :-) Thank you Mike. We now have Jeff Andrews will to ask some interesting questions. Ok Jeff GO!!!!!! <[Jeff A.] J.ANDREWS23> Ok, here goes a 3 parter... 1) John S., this is a feature I would desperately like to see in a .SPC based program such as PHOENIX in the future - How about a button that turns on and off the CPU cache for us poor folks who have Mega STe's and want to render quickly and then see the results without going to the Control Panel, then the CPX, then the MHz box, for the nth time, as n approaches infinity? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Thats a good Idea Jeff, however Atari will NOT give out that information, a lot of people have wanted that for a while. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> There is a auto folder program from I believe DMJ that lets you switch with a keypress. M.POCHE is one of our BETA testers and thinks the world of this program. <[Jeff A.] J.ANDREWS23> Part 2... Is the demo that's going to be available tonight going to be in 475;3 right after this? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> It should be up tonight, after the sysops ok it that is ;-) <[Jeff A.] J.ANDREWS23> Thanks for the DMJ info... <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> The keypress prg is I BELIEVE in the libraries. I try to check later. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Check the Lexicor library #39. For the demo. <[Jeff A.] J.ANDREWS23> Part 3... Please upgrade the .ANM .ACC from vaporware status ASAP! <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> We realize that is a high priority. We're working as much on an animation player to get full results of the Phoenix images as on the rendering module itself. We have a builder and player to create Spectrum delta animations and this is included w/ Phoenix. We don't have the player finished yet to handle TT LOW res with a different palette for each frame like Phoenix requires for best results. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> but will soon :-) Thanks Jeff Andrews. OK Chris- another question. <[Chris C.] C.CASSADAY> I had heard in the BB that you guys were working on a videotape demo. What's the scoop? Also, do you still fill up 44meg SyQuest's on request? Could you post an address that we could send in a SyQuest and get some of Lee's pictures and anims. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Yes LEXICOR SOFTWARE CORP. 58 Redwood Road Fairfax, CA 94930. Phone 415-453,0271 and FAX 415-453-0533 <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Call 415-453-0271 next week to order the Demo tape or ask about the demo syquest. Thanks Chris. My turn again... I would like to know what changes are planned for the future for PHOENIX? I know it won't be released until 12th of December, however I am really interested in its future. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> As mentioned getting things moving with ANM is top priority. Also extended texturing. Several new procedural textures, ability to combine multiple textures on an object. Bump mapping (the surface will look bumpy like any orange). Anti alising is a definite must. Phoenix doesn't now support that. Phoenix already creates an auxiliary file for use with our Falcon paint and image processing program (NOT ANNOUNCED YET :-) ) for depth of field, motion blur and depth-overlaying effects. Thanks. Tim would like to ask another question. What is your question Tim? <[Tim] T.HEBEL> Are there any books that you would recommend to beginners to help them get up to speed in computer animation? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> I'm just the programmer, I don't get much time to actually use it! <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Besides the Chronos or Phoenix manuals, you mean? ;-) Amiga video magazines and general books on animation are good sources, check your bookstore ;-) <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Lee Seiler is our resident expert and is a professional in the field. He's still off hiding on vacation. you might want to re-ask in Lexicor's cat 25 next week. <[Tim] T.HEBEL> Also, I was still wondering what I would need to hook up my TT to record video? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> The TT is a nice machine, but lousy for getting animations out. Sorry, we have tried to get a converter, but none is available at this time. A falcon would help :-) <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> But you can send ANM/TGA file for rendering to a service center. Thanks Chris. SAM-RAPP is next. Go Sam..... This may have been asked up-conference so stop me if it has... What tools should I buy as a complete beginner in animation and computer graphics? I plan on buying a Falcon when available. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> For Phoenix all you need is Cyber Sculpt to create your models. Depending on what system you have you'll probably want a paint prg to edit the images also (add you name, flames, etc.). On an ST that would be Spectrum, a TT Prism Paint. I haven't surveyed the Falcon Paint market yet. Our future offering is obviously highly recommended. Is CAD 3-D/Cyber studio necessary? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> You need something to create objects with. You can use CAD-3D for that, but Cyber Sculpt is the tool of choice and is available from Lexicor. For the masochists in our audience Cyber Control can create very impressive animations with Phoenix. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Here are my basic steps for Phoenix animations: Create objects/Phoenix light,map, effects, objects, create a scupt script and render in full true color mode Single frame mode or GIF or SPC format animation. All of that works. BUT with single frames I can create an excellent file for a company LOGO! Thank you Sam. I know Mike has another question. OK, your turn for a question Mike. <[mike] AEO.8> I remember reading several months back that Lexicor was working on a link between the new Falcon and SG. Is Phoenix a part of that? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Lexicor is in the process of porting it's animation programs to the SGI, however, currently Phoenix is an Atari only program. <[mike] AEO.8> Thanks! <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> One thing to note is the Phoenix will create TARGA files, which is a standard format on the SGI. Go Jeff. <[Jeff A.] J.ANDREWS23> Is anyone aware if software programs like WARP 9 significantly improve the rendering time on Chronos or Phoenix? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> It will have almost no effect on the rendering time in Phoenix, it will however greatly speed you scene composition when you're redrawing wireframes a lot. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Warp 9 does help Chronos some, and would help Phoenix on screen redraws. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Jeff.GIF files with WARP9 load-up very fast with the program even on a TT. Prism-Paint GIF files. Go Richard....... <[Richard] R.LEVY8> John... any clues for future Lexicor programs? <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> clues... Hmmm... Let's see. A fantastic Color image processing package, A 3D object painter, something to do with sound, and finally some nifty genlock stuff :-) Clues enough ;-) <[Richard] R.LEVY8> HUMMMM... sounds like I'll be saving my money. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> The demo of Phoenix was mentioned earlier. The demo contains all the features and functions of Phoenix, and will load and save all files. The only difference is that several black bands will be rendered into the image. Also the demo doesn't work right on a tos 1.0 machine when loading large objects. This is fixed in the actual program. Thanks Richard. Joe Torres has a question or two. OK, your turn for a question Joe. (I came in late) One thing I'd like to see in an animation pack is the addition of sampled sounds/MOD files... Any plans/hints? (for at least playback) <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> I can't discuss that too much ;-) we will say that we are working on it ;-) How memory intensive is PHOENIX? What is the minimum memory setup? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Phoenix will run in 1 meg of memory. To be painfully honest though it is quite memory hungry though. I've never had any problem getting my own images to work in 4 meg, but Lee has created scenes that require more. Phoenix has a lot of options that will let you create good looking images with a small number of faces (sides) in an object. The fewer faces you use the more you can get away with. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Lee has a 20 plus meg system and sometimes renders from that one. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Shadowing uses more memory than a non-shadowed scene also. Its all very scene dependent. The program itself uses 570K or so. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Not that Phoenix needs 20 meg ram BUT it support the extra hardware for your system. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> That another one of the things on the future list, we think we can reduce the memory requirements significantly in a future version. Thanks John S and Ringo. OK, your turn for a question Richard. I wanted to thank you again now that I'm back at my home machine. <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Your very welcome R.H ;-) <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Hi, R.HACKMAN1! I also wanted to know if the ANM version of Phoenix will be able to "MORPH" like Chronos. <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Our pleasure Richard. We're very glad to have you on our team now. Yes, morph will definitely be supported, and to a further degree than in Chronos. You will be able to morph the color of an object, so it changes from one color to another during the morph. Morphing doesn't like textures though. Thanks John - I'm the one that sent a TGA upside down E-mail to you a while back... Sounds great- <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Thanks for the reminder on your earlier message. I have a TGA flipper if you're interested send E-Mail. <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> WELL, NO comment for Key-frame animation. Chronos is the BEST!!!! Thanks Rick. Your turn Jeff. Then we will be calling it quits real soon. <[Jeff A.] J.ANDREWS23> Ok... Does Lexicor have anything that does 2D morphing? That seems fashionable lately, I know I saw a mac morph of Bush into Clinton, and the tween frames were eerie 8^> <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> Not yet, that will happen in a future product ;-) <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Basically no in the immediate future. We have a handle on the technology now, but there are a lot of other steps necessary to tie it all together. <[Jeff A.] J.ANDREWS23> Thanks. Last questions for the night, folks. You have been with the Atari for awhile. What is your vision of the future of Atari ST(E)/ Falcon? Also, what is the future of LEXICOR and the ATARI? In particular, what is coming up in '93? <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> 93 is all about the Falcon. Everything is on Atari and how many and how fast they ship Falcon030's and the timely arrival of future computers. We are poised to enter the high end desktop video market with hardware that will allow us to beat the Video toaster in price AND performance. All we need is computers to develop on and a market to sell to. Great guys!!!!!!! We're drawing to a close for the formal portion of the LEXICOR RTC. Before I put the room into Frenzy Mode, do you have any closing words, JOHN? Ringo and/or John S.? <[John S.] J.STANFORD2> Brian, We'd like to thank you, Lou and Darlah for hosting this conference, and all the great support Genie has provided Lexicor and its users. Thanks! <[Lexicor] J.COLE18> I'd just like to thank everyone for attending. I hope to have a few more product announcements in a short time, so hopefully we can all do this again :-) <[Ringo] LEXICOR2> Well, The Falcon game is now ready and Lexicor has the proper programs, Let ATARI know that this is a new topic. Ok good. I wish to thank you John , John S. and Ringo for making it here tonight. 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Steve Whitney S.WHITNEY 655 South Fair Oaks Avenue I-103 Sunnyvale CA 94086 USA 815 968 6888 James D Yegerlehner J.YEGERLEHNE Apprentice Software 22205 Swan Road South Lyon MI 48178 USA 313 437 0526 Neural-network Construction Set --==-- --==-- This post reprinted courtesy GEnie. Category 29, Topic 4 Message 105 Fri Dec 18, 1992 FAIR-DINKUM [Hutch] at 21:31 EST ====================================================================== === MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL OUR MATES ON GENIE! ====== ====================================================================== A Christmas present for registered users of CWCII or WSC... ------------------- ---------------------------------------- If you are a registered user of Crossword Creator II (CWCII) or Word Search Creator (WSC), you may now upgrade to the latest version of Puzzle Pack which includes the latest releases of both CWCII & WSC for only $20.00, postpaid! Puzzle Pack normally retails for $49.95 and CWCII and WSC retail for $34.95 each so this is a good deal, folks! This offer definitely expires 31 Jan 93 and is available to registered users of either CWCII or WSC only! This special price includes the program disk and manual only. If you want one of our new viny data folders as well, please add an additional $5.00. Candadian customers no extra charge. Other international orders add $5 extra postage. A Christmas present for NEW customers only... --------------------------------- ------------ Place an order for any Fair Dinkum Technologies product prior to 31 January 1993 and get FREE shipping (priority in the US, first class to Canada). This offer available only to new customers in the US or Canada. A Christmas special... ---------------------- Order any TWO Fair Dinkum Technologies products between now and 31 January 1993 and get a third product FREE! Choose from either Word Search Creator or The Cryptographer as your free gift. The free shipping deal does not apply with this offer. Add $3 s&h. Your free software will be an "Enviro-Pack" (manuals & disks only). And yet Another Special... -------------------------- Since CYBERDROME-THE HOVERJET SIMULATOR is best when played in the 2- player/2-computer mode, you should have 2 copies of the software (if not being played in the same household). So place an order for two copies of Cyberdrome (regular $39.95) for just $70.00, POSTPAID, for the full versions, complete with data folders. The Fair Dinkum Lineup ---------------------- Crossword Creator II........................ $34.95 Word Search Creator......................... 34.95 Puzzle Pack (includes both, above).......... 49.95 The Cryptographer........................... 34.95 CYBERDROME-The Hoverjet Simulator........... 39.95 This message will self-destruct (sorta... I'll delete it) on 1/31/93. Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to everyone! -Hutch- @ Fair Dinkum Tech ------------ --==--==--==--==-- ||| Computing Heresy! .............. Where "more" isn't always "better" ||| By: Andreas Barbiero / | \ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Before I get any microchips burned on my front lawn, this heresy is of the creative kind; the kind of heresy that Galileo spoke about when he suggested the Earth revolved around the Sun, and when that anonymous inventor made the first bannana and peanut butter sandwich. You know.... the important stuff! Computers are tools. And while they are the most versatile of tools, capable of an infinite variety of electronic tasks, this wonderful power has attracted the oddest sort of person: Enthusiasts. What type of person is an enthusiast? Well, automobile enthusiasts endlessly discuss how to squeeze more horsepower out of bored-out big-block engines, creating high speed monsters that are almost useless for fetching a gallon of milk from the store - all as they idle roughly and spew carcinogens. (Don't get angry, my dream car is a Shelby Cobra 454!) On the other hand, there are very few people who attack the problem of how to keep all those crumbs out from under the baby seat in my Taurus with the same enthusiasm. Computer enthusiasts are much like other enthusiasts. They (we?) are always looking for MORE. MORE speed, MORE storage, MORE colors, and MORE software. More is not a bad thing, but it needs to be balanced with "what is actually needed." Unless you have an unlimited sum of money, the cost is always a factor in the decision making of what to purchase, whether it be hardware or software. So the delimiting question is one of needs versus hyped-up wants. Very few tasks need maximum power, speed, memory, etc. This question might be better answered by considering what the dealer is trying to sell as a NEED rather than a little used option. If we want to find people trying to sell you every possible accessory, we will just have to go to the PC world to get an easy example. The PC clone world has been ravaged by a vicious price war in 1992. Prices have dropped, and consequently profits have shrunk to almost nothing. A $2000 computer sale might not even see 5% profit! Major companies, such as Everex, are falling to this trend and going out of business. Falling prices might be good for the consumer - except in the long run, because with fewer competitors, prices will rise as demand begins to outpace production. AMD has been forbidden to make '486 chips for now, causing chip prices to rise. The Korean memory manufacturers, accused of dumping chips into the market, have been acted against, which has scared the market into almost doubling the price of SIMMS in a few days. Bare bones pricing has driven dealers to look for other additions to the system to help boost a bit of profit. CD-ROMs, huge hard drives, SVGA cards, and the rest all have their definite utility. But does the average PC word processor need SVGA and a 44MHz '486??? Windows is a monster, and 10 or more megabytes of memory set aside in an effort to get those pretty animated icons and useful graphic interface to work is common. Most of the time Windows is a glorified program launcher, and the really cool software is unable to run under it. I know of people who have moved up to a '486 JUST to be able to run Wing Commander under Windows! All that money... but that is never spoken aloud to a person who is shakey on buying a DOS box. To those sold on the idea, the god of memory and SVGA cards is mightily appeased at the money spent on incremental results. Many Atari users have reached a level of productivity on an 8MHz 68000 that is undreamt of by users with '286s and '386s. Why? Books could be written discussing this phenomena, but the main reason is a ROM based operating system which has a mild appetite for RAM, and a CPU which is helped out by custom chips carrying part of the workload. Better a skimpy CPU (the 8MHz 68000 is getting close lately) with a robust support network of helpers than a robust chip (the '486 is a decent number cruncher) with non-existent support on the bus. The best information is useless if it is inaccessable, and the most powerful CPU is helpless when faced with dozens more tasks than it should have to perform. So, what does a good system consist of? I consider my Mega STe to be an excellent example of a decent system. A 50 meg harddrive, a 16 MHz 68000, a superior keyboard, and TOS 2.06 beats out a more expensive DOS box in the '386 and low '486 class. All the add-ons make those machines a liability. I will never have to re-install TOS after goofing up a .INF file - Windows is GONE if the driving files are messed up at ALL. I do concede that the 68000 is a aging chip, and now that the new technology is a couple of generations away, the 68030s are affordable and a welcome improvement. When the Falcon is available in numbers, it will really take over the average users needs with real overkill in the audio and video departments. A 16MHz 030 is capable of speeds up to 5 times that of a 8MHz 68000, and if a 8MHz STe can hold its own against a 16MHz '386, imagine what the Falcon will be able to realistically take on! But what about NOW? The Falcon has still yet to appear at any dealership in the US, and the STe and TT are presently available. A decent system based on a STe really needs to be based on the Mega STe. The venerable ST design really underwent some fantastic transformations with the introduction of the Mega STe. Not only are the standard STe enhancements put into this machine, your favorite ST application software will benefit from the boost of a 16MHz 68000. The built in hard drive, TOS 2.06, 1.44 meg floppy, and VME give the lucky user a platform that can keep up for a few more years. If more storage is needed, a Syquest removable is a good expansion, allowing potentially unlimited storage, and makes a good mate for the internal hard drive. Backups are a snap with one of these units, and you won't have to feel guilty when you download several megabytes of Photochrome pictures or MOD files! Printers are another matter. With the recent introduction of the Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 4, 600dpi printing is available at the cost that 300dpi is sold at! 600dpi is effectively 4X the resolution as 300dpi.... every dot of ink on a 300dpi page is replaced by 4 dots at 600dpi! $1400 is a bit much for the average home user, but the introduction of new technology presents some problems. I purchased a DeskJet 500 last year, and am glad that I went this way. The LaserJet 4 is going to change the face of printing technology, bringing the 300dpi models cheaper, and paving the way for more improvements. For the next year or so, my DJ500 will serve me nicely as I wait for the next generation of laser printers to settle out. The DJ is not the newest or the best, but it, like the Mega STe, is a great deal of versatility for the money. Modems are another story. The high-speed modem (9600/14,400 baud) price wars of 1992 have slowed a bit, and for at least the next year or two, any improvements with new models will not present a big enough jump to warrant the costs. A decent 14.4Kbaud modem with all the applicable protocols is available for under $250, if you shop carefully. This MSTe system will serve even after you decide to move up to one of Atari's newer machines in the future. The modem, Syquest and DeskJet printer are transferrable to a new CPU, and will be able to add some serious value to any computer you buy. If you want to move up a bit in price, substituting a TT for the MSTe will give you a system capable of outperforming the Falcon030, and a '486 DOS box at a reasonable price. The MSTe should be available around $600 to $900, depending upon configuration, and the TT should go for under $1500, for a base model. Monitors are extra, and a standard VGA should work on the TT and on a Falcon machine, if it is in your future. In conclusion, don't overbuy. Decide honestly what your needs are, how far you can expect to expand it realistically, and how soon you expect technology to REALLY overtake you. You will be suprized how long you can stay current and productive with a machine that isn't replaced every six months!! --==--==--==--==-- ||| ||| GEnie Atari ST RoundTable News / | \ Courtesy: GEnie ------------------------------ = DARLAH'S TREAT = *************************************************************** Happy Holidays from the Atari Roundtable and GEnie! Darlah's Holiday Treat of the Month [page 475;9] is PHNXDEMO.LZH from LEXICOR2. This the DEMO version of Phoenix object render from Lexicor Software. The LZH file also includes SPC & GIF sample files. This is a must have program for all ATARI computers. Phoenix support different light sources, 3 different cameras, texture and image mapping: SPC, GIF & TGA are support. This is a very fast render. Look for the second Holiday Treat coming soon on page 475;10 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- FAIR-DINKUM Technologies have just uploaded a brand new, fully functional DEMO version of CYBERDROME - THE HOVERJET SIMULATOR by Rhea-FX. CyberDrome combines the realism of a real-time flight or tank simulator with arcade action and the exploration of an adventure/maze game. This is a great demo, check it out; File # 26949. *************************************************************** = REALTIME CONFERENCE = = Scheduled Wednesday RTC Guests = Have an idea for an Realtime Conference? Wish to promote a product, show or service? Atari Roundtable Realtime Conference provides an excellent platform for announcements and discussions. Contact RTC$, for requirements and information on holding formal RTCs. We also capture and edit the formal conferences and uploads them into the Atari RT's Library for you. = Monday Realtime Conference = Stop in for Monday's Desktop Publishing Realtime Conferences. Hosted by Lou Rocha with regular guests dealing with all aspects of DTP and associated topics. = Atari ST Help Desk = Atari ST Roundtable holds a Sunday Help Desk to answer your questions on GEnie, Atari ST Roundtable and the line of Atari computers. Stop in and ask questions or just visit the Atari RT staff and users. The Help Desk starts at 9:00 pm EST Sunday on page 475;2. = RTC Transcripts = 26912 LEXICOR.ARC X BRIAN.H 921213 16384 65 13 Desc: LEXICOR RTC 9Dec92 26809 BRODIE3.ARC X ST.LOU 921205 12672 422 13 Desc: Lots of Christmas Specials from Bob 26713 BRODIE2.LZH X ST.LOU 921128 12416 281 13 Desc: RTC Transcript/Bob Brodie For Realtime Conference inquires and comments contact: RTC$ = LIBRARY = Last Week's Top Downloaded Programs/Utilities: --------------------------------------------------- 26831 PCHROME3.LZH X D.HELMS 921206 44800 403 28 Desc: PhotoChrome Version 3.00 !MUST HAVE! 26900 W9_374UP.LZH X CODEHEAD 921212 80896 252 2 Desc: Updates Warp 9 v3.73 to v3.74 26927 W9_375UP.LZH X CODEHEAD 921213 67072 169 2 Desc: Fixes 2 bugs in Warp 9 3.74 26903 DE100102.LZH X ORA.TECH 921212 118656 164 2 Desc: Diamond Edge V1.00 -> V1.02 Patch 26829 DB2V251.LZH X ORA.TECH 921206 107136 161 2 Desc: Diamond Back II V2.50->V2.51 Patch 26866 FORUM36A.LZH X E.BAIZ 921210 32256 147 8 Desc: Tic-Tac-Toe game. Excellent!!!!!!! 26850 STTK1207.ARC X J.SELLERS2 921209 299392 122 8 Desc: Trek space battle simulation. 26891 PROC_123.LZH X D.PANKE 921212 27264 91 3 Desc: GFA PROCEDURES Volume 1.23 --------------------------------------------------- Last Week's New Demos: --------------------------------------------------- 26962 SOLUTION.LZH X P.DUBE 921215 288768 8 10 Desc: Mathematical software for the ST/TT 26949 CBDDEMO2.LZH X FAIR-DINKUM 921215 133632 18 10 Desc: NEW Demo version of CyberDrome!!! --------------------------------------------------- Last Week's Press Releases in the Library --------------------------------------------------- 26964 IAAD_DIR.ASC X D.A.BRUMLEVE 921215 10496 12 14 Desc: Updated IAAD Member Directory 26848 EDGESALE.TXT X MAG.SOFTWARE 921209 2688 44 14 Desc: Diamond Edge still on SALE - $44.95 26847 3DFLPFLY.LZH X MAG.SOFTWARE 921209 104704 25 14 Desc: 3-D Floptical Flyer - .IMG format 26840 LOTSBYTE.CAT X LOTSABYTES 921208 768 87 14 Desc: PLI products, mini & dual systems. 26828 CMCINFO.TXT X S.GARRIGUS 921206 7424 50 14 Desc: Computer Musician Coalition info! 26804 LYNXXMAS.TXT X EXPLORER.1 921205 3584 105 14 Desc: Christmas special on the LYNX! --------------------------------------------------- Contact: LIBRARY$ --==--==--==--==-- ||| ||| The First Annual Atari Explorer Online Reader Survey ... The results / | \ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow. I must say that I was overwhelmed by the response to our First Annual Reader's Survey. We've a lot of numbers to grind through. Here are the results: Subject Score (1-5)